The news that Osama bin Laden had been hiding in plain sight in a Pakistani military town surprised many Americans, but it came as no surprise to the man you'll hear from. His name is Amrullah Saleh and four years ago he told Pakistan's president that bin Laden was living in that very area.
At the time, Saleh was at the height of his power as Afghanistan's top spy, their chief of intelligence. No one worked more closely with the U.S. in the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban. He is also one of Pakistan's fiercest critics and long before bin Laden's death, behind closed doors, he was urging the U.S. to pay attention to the intelligence he was gathering on Pakistan's covert support for America's enemies.
Now he makes that case publicly.
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"You have to give Pakistan a title. Is it a friend? What is Pakistan?" Saleh asked Lara Logan.
"It currently has the title of ally," she pointed out.
"Right deceptive," Saleh replied.
Asked what he thinks the title should be, Saleh told Logan, "It should be a hostile country, a hostile state."
Asked if Pakistan is the enemy of the U.S., Saleh said, "The amount of pain Pakistan has inflicted upon the United States in the past 12 years is unprecedented. No other country has inflicted that amount of pain upon your nation."
"When you say pain, what do you mean specifically?" Logan asked.
"I mean, they generate fear for your country. They take your money. They do not cooperate. They created the Taliban. They are number one in nuclear proliferation, you name it. Every pain (the) U.S. has in that part of the world, the hub of that is Pakistan," Saleh explained.
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That may sound harsh, considering what President Obama told Steve Kroft on "60 Minutes" last week: "Pakistan, since 9/11, has been a strong counterterrorism partner with us."
While he acknowledged Pakistan has been helpful in fighting al Qaeda, the president also said the relationship has problems.
And according to Saleh, the biggest problem is that Pakistan gives safe haven to Taliban leaders. "The senior Taliban leaders, we would learn about their locations every day. We would have their telephone numbers," he told Logan.
He told Logan that those telephone numbers were passed on to the U.S.
Saleh says many of those numbers were traced to Quetta, Pakistan, where the Taliban's senior leaders, known as the Quetta Shura, are based.
Saleh told Logan no action was ever taken against the Quetta Shura.
"The U.S. could have taken action against senior Taliban leadership...," Logan remarked.
"They can take action tomorrow against ...," Saleh replied.
"They still can?" Logan asked.
"Of course," Saleh said.
"And they don't?" Logan asked.
"They don't," he replied. "That's why I say the surge is not addressing the fundamental question. What do you do with sanctuaries in Pakistan?"
Produced by Max McClellan
(CBS/AP)
HENDERSON, Louisiana - Army Corps of Engineers workers opened more floodgates at the Morganza Spillway in Louisiana Sunday, just upriver from New Orleans, bringing the total to four.
They're diverting millions of gallons per minute into the Atchafalaya Basin, sparing New Orleans while flooding thousands of square miles of Cajun country.
CBS News correspondent Dean Reynolds reports that this is the moment of truth for a lot of folks in low lying areas around the basin. Officials say it's time to go, but for the people of Cajun country, it's not that simple.
In Butte La Rose, Randy Moncrief had one eye on the grill and the other on the water lapping at his dad's home.
"Everybody's gone. It's gonna be like a ghost town around here in the next day or two," Moncrief said.
Moncrief, a retired tugboat operator, expects the second floor of the home to stay dry, but that's all.
Video: How spillways protect cities
Photos: Mississippi River flooding
Miss. River closing would cost U.S. $300m per dayDown the street at a cabin named "Last Dance," Pierre Watermeyer wrapped the building in plastic, ringed it with sandbags, and hoped for the best.
"I'm hoping. I'm really hoping it's going to prevent it from being ruined," Watermeyer said.
Butte La Rose is one of the scattered Cajun communities in the Atchafalaya River Basin, an area of farm fields, fishing camps and free spirits, where water from the Morganza Spillway is now running, diverted from the Mississippi.
The diversion is supposed to lessen river pressure at the Baton Rouge and New Orleans flood walls. Unfortunately, to make that happen, communities like Butte La Rose may go under.
Four gates are open now at the spillway. Just one releases nearly 75,000 gallons per second, 4.5 million gallons per minute, a rate that would fill an Olympic-sized pool in nine seconds.
Downstream, St. Landry Parish issued a mandatory evacuation order: everyone out by Sunday afternoon.
"We are anticipating seeing some water in this area around 9 p.m. this evening," said Donald Menard, St. Landry Parish president on Sunday.
In Butte La Rose, Randy Moncrief says they can issue all the evacuation orders they want. He's spent months remodeling this home, and has no intention of leaving it. But he's keeping a boat handy, just in case.
The people of Cajun country are refusing to leave for two reasons: One is emotional, and the other is skepticism - they just don't believe the Army Corps when officials say the water will ruin their homes.
It will be at least a week before the Mississippi River crest arrives at the Morganza Spillway. The Mississippi has broken river-level records that had held since the 1920s in some places.
The Morganza flooding is more controlled, however, and residents are warned each year that the spillway could be opened. A spillway at the 7,000-foot Bonnet Carre structure in Louisiana also has been opened.
It seemed animals didn't want to be stuck anywhere, either: Deer, hogs and rabbits have started running from the water flowing near the floodgates, said Lt. Col. Joey Broussard of the Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries. An electronic sign on Interstate 10 warned of a possible animal exodus: "Wildlife crossing possible. Use caution," it read.
HENDERSON, Louisiana - Army Corps of Engineers workers opened more floodgates at the Morganza Spillway in Louisiana Sunday, just upriver from New Orleans, bringing the total to four.
They're diverting millions of gallons per minute into the Atchafalaya Basin, sparing New Orleans while flooding thousands of square miles of Cajun country.
CBS News correspondent Dean Reynolds reports that this is the moment of truth for a lot of folks in low lying areas around the basin. Officials say it's time to go, but for the people of Cajun country, it's not that simple.
In Butte La Rose, Randy Moncrief had one eye on the grill and the other on the water lapping at his dad's home.
"Everybody's gone. It's gonna be like a ghost town around here in the next day or two," Moncrief said.
Moncrief, a retired tugboat operator, expects the second floor of the home to stay dry, but that's all.
Video: How spillways protect cities
Photos: Mississippi River flooding
Miss. River closing would cost U.S. $300m per dayDown the street at a cabin named "Last Dance," Pierre Watermeyer wrapped the building in plastic, ringed it with sandbags, and hoped for the best.
"I'm hoping. I'm really hoping it's going to prevent it from being ruined," Watermeyer said.
Butte La Rose is one of the scattered Cajun communities in the Atchafalaya River Basin, an area of farm fields, fishing camps and free spirits, where water from the Morganza Spillway is now running, diverted from the Mississippi.
The diversion is supposed to lessen river pressure at the Baton Rouge and New Orleans flood walls. Unfortunately, to make that happen, communities like Butte La Rose may go under.
Four gates are open now at the spillway. Just one releases nearly 75,000 gallons per second, 4.5 million gallons per minute, a rate that would fill an Olympic-sized pool in nine seconds.
Downstream, St. Landry Parish issued a mandatory evacuation order: everyone out by Sunday afternoon.
"We are anticipating seeing some water in this area around 9 p.m. this evening," said Donald Menard, St. Landry Parish president on Sunday.
In Butte La Rose, Randy Moncrief says they can issue all the evacuation orders they want. He's spent months remodeling this home, and has no intention of leaving it. But he's keeping a boat handy, just in case.
The people of Cajun country are refusing to leave for two reasons: One is emotional, and the other is skepticism - they just don't believe the Army Corps when officials say the water will ruin their homes.
It will be at least a week before the Mississippi River crest arrives at the Morganza Spillway. The Mississippi has broken river-level records that had held since the 1920s in some places.
The Morganza flooding is more controlled, however, and residents are warned each year that the spillway could be opened. A spillway at the 7,000-foot Bonnet Carre structure in Louisiana also has been opened.
It seemed animals didn't want to be stuck anywhere, either: Deer, hogs and rabbits have started running from the water flowing near the floodgates, said Lt. Col. Joey Broussard of the Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries. An electronic sign on Interstate 10 warned of a possible animal exodus: "Wildlife crossing possible. Use caution," it read.
